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Car show judging

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With apologies to Chris for being hard on his topic, taking it off-topic, let's continue talking about car judging..... :D

My Buick judging days were spent in the engine compartment. There were five judges per car. One for the engine, one for the underside, one for the interior, one for the exterior. Then the team captain. I was team captain one year, but that wasn't fun. You had to deal with the owner. I liked engine compartment judging. I could take 50 points out of most engine compartments, minimum.

The two big points in judging Buicks with nailhead engines was engine color and the fuel pump. 90% of them were found to be incorrect. Apple green was the color for Buick nailheads before 1966. In that year, the 425 engines were the same red as the later 430 and 455's were. The 1963 Riviera engines were silver. I judged the big Buicks, the B & C bodies, so we won't include Riviera in this discussion. There is not correct Buick engine paint available in a spray bomb off the shelf at a parts store. Detroit Diesel paint is almost right, but it is too yellow. Paint from a parts store out of a Dupli-Color spray bomb is too blue. Incorrect engine paint was a mandatory deduction. Like the car didn't have an engine at all. 50 points off the top, with a mandatory deduction, took the car out of award contention. I was supposed to stop with no further judging if I found incorrect engine paint. If I continued, any points deductions would further erode the standing of the car. Many owners would want me to continue so they would know what else needed improvement.

The fuel pumps on nailhead engines were bolted together on all years. In 1959 when electric wipers were introduced on Buicks, they still used this antique fuel pump. They were problematic. Leaking and vapor lock were issues. A crimped-body pump was provided for replacement in the field when these issues became chronic. Remember, Buick couldn't give away their cars from 1958 and 1959, so further erosion of Buick's reputation was taken seriously. The BCA wanted mandatory deductions given for crimped-body fuel pumps. An owner came up with factory documentation that the crimped-body pumps were used in service, so we all breathed a sigh of relief and tossed the old bolted body pumps.

The original oil filters for Buick nailheads haven't been available for almost 50 years. Wix filters have a white body. If a car had a white filter on it, I wouldn't look too hard for the AC part. If it was a Fram or STP or some aftermarket filter that was obviously not right, they took the gig in a couple of points. Not having Gates belts and hoses were worth another 10 points off. Using a fan clutch eliminator was a mandatory deduction, like they had no engine at all. Having spark plug wires that were not "Packard" and correctly date coded brought deductions from one point to 10 points. Using the wrong brake booster was a mandatory deduction, no brake system at all. Same with not having the vacuum storage tank connected. If someone had used disc brakes on an old Buick that was supposed to have drums, mandatory deduction, 50 points.

Our old Buick got its Gold award at 398 out of 400 points and it's Senior award at 396 points, plus it's previous Gold award. I got gigged two points with discolored engine paint. Where the exhaust manifold meets the heads and at the top of the manifolds themselves, there was some heat discoloration, still is. That is unavoidable when you drive a car to a show. That is the warmest part of the exhaust. I was the hard-nosed engine judge, so my car got extra scrutiny, which is fair, I reckon. The hardest part to document on the Buick was the floor shift console. That was never a factory option on an Electra. A mandatory 50-point deduction. An old dog-eared advertisement from a local Buick dealership, showing the 1963 Buick show cars, showed a convertible and two-door hardtop Electra in front, plainly showing bucket seats and floor shift console. It showed Rivieras, Wildcats, and Electras, two door hardtops, convertibles and four door hardtops in Electra and Wildcat with bucket seats and console. The Riviera was new for 1963 and Wildcat was its own series, instead of being a trim option on Invicta. Electra got its own body design for 1963, rather than being a up-trimmed LeSabre. Buick dressed up Electra models with buckets and console and showed then with the other two series. The white 2-door is in west Phoenix and the silver 4-door hardtop is in Michigan. I have no idea what happened to the rest of them.
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Post: # 22444Post TC Chris »

I fall into the category of folks who figure that if you can't drive around in your car, it's not worth having. Yay, Jay Leno, who drives his cars. Seems to me that if these are devices intended to be driven under their own power, then if you get some discoloration of the engine paint from heat, well, that just makes it more authentic.

My Chevy is so imperfect that I can spend my worries on upgrades, not on possible damage. I just got to spend a long weekend driving around with the top down. That's why I go the new top--so I could put it up and down without it disintegrating, not so it would look perfect. And yeah, I'd get deductions for the new-style zipper on the vinyl rear window, a big step up in function that I can live with.

The Mustang was the car that was going to be sorta-perfect when I got old, but the drunk driver who hit it and the flood that required a rebuilt engine gave me some additional freedom to drive without worries. Good thing; at 38 years and 159K miles, some of the rubber is getting long in the tooth and the paint (original and the repaint from the drunk) is no longer quite showroom-looking. The exact-replacement tires for it are the ones that look great but are said to be poor quality, so I've got not-quite exact but good performance tires. But I get to tool around in it all summer and people stop to give praise, share memories of their Mustang, or make offers to buy. Sometimes all 3.

There are some advantages to good enough.

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Post: # 22445Post electra225 »

I absolutely agree with you, Chris. Since I got out of the business, perfection is not something that concerns me. I am actually having fun with my car instead of worrying about every little imperfection. You have to remember that when I was restoring cars for a living that the presentation of my car was a reflection on my business. I couldn't sell what I didn't have myself. The only advertising I did besides word of mouth was laying my business cards on the battery of my car then attend every car show I could. I went to the cruise-in at the Pavillions every Saturday night, year around. I don't think I could do that anymore. And, with Art gone, that takes some of the fun out of it. I have often wondered what happened to his '57 Roadmaster convertible. I'll bet he won hundreds of trophies with that car. My goal was to do a Roadmaster 75 four door hardtop in the same colors as his convertible, but that never happened. Garnet red over black under the sweepspear, running on Kelsey-Hayes wires.
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